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« on: November 23, 2010, 01:01:08 AM »

I've been really trying to like Android, but I just can't do it.  With over 10 years experience designing and building mobile handsets with the Windows Mobile and Blackberry operating system, neither of which are perfect, I've seen a lot of different implementations of mobile platforms.  The look and feel of a mobile OS is a very personal thing and I certainly don't object to Google's try at optimising the usage experience.  It could certainly improve on the level of customisability of fonts, colours and system layout, but I can live with it.  I'm more concerned by the basic usability of the device.  Can it perform basic functions such as calls, emails and browsing, how are apps and services handled, is the handset responsive and crash/reset free?  This baseline performance is what I've been struggling to accept, but with the 2.2 update the situation is markedly worse than 2.1 and I see no solution.

If I had to sum Android up in a word it would be "amateurish".   Some things work suitably, I wouldn't say work well, and some things are chronically broken by design such as the IP stack and connectivity usage model.  Always connected, always online is a good mantra, but any developer must suitablly cover the case when there is no connectivity.  Google's engineers haven't even thought of the possibility of using the device offline.  When the OS cannot operate without a connection (or even worse, an intermittent one) the result is an inexcusable array of crashes, hangs and general user frustration, even after the official 2.2 upgrade.

What many mobile devices fail to understand is that the devices are used for creating content.  Text messages, emails and calls are the basic functions that a mobile device is used for.  Consuming content is important too, but in my opinion a secondary concern.  Thus the keyboard is of great importance.  I am writing this on a Bluetooth keyboard as there is no way I would write anything longer than an SMS using any onscreen keyboard on an Android device.  Part of the fault lies with the capacitive touchscreen and the gross inaccuracy of the sensors.  This is made worse by the stock Android keyboard, and Swype, or Swiftkey.  None match the speed of input from a hardware keyboard or a resistive keyboard with a stylus.  I have been using a pen to write with for much longer than I've been fingerpainting.

Instead of ranting on about the plethora of issues I dislike about Android I'll list my biggest grievances with the OS below.  Unfortunately I don't really see any prospect for improvements in the near term for any of them.  Sadly there is no good competitor at the moment that seems to get the mobile experience and has the capability to implement it in a competent device.  I certainly intend to keep trying to help out fellow Galaxy S users, I'll still keep with it untill RIM get their act together.

Google need to fix:
On-screen keyboard is unusable
Mandating Capacitive touchscreen so any on-screen keyboard is too inaccurate to be any use
Must be online for OS not to crash
Patchy integration of Google services
No spell checking
Appalling CPU scheduling and memory management
Appalling integration of the IP stack and DNS lookup into Java services
Unable to remove or hide system apps and bloatware
Android Market randomly not downloading apps
Constant media scanning blocking access to user memory

Samsung need to fix:
Email client crashes and hangs with abysmally slow performance
Location embedding in photographs without an option of disabling
100% battery notification cannot be disabled

Swype is evil because:
Only offer updates via Samsung, not incrementally and independently
Cannot add/remove languages
Cannot disable auto learning feature

I simply won't purchase a Google or Samsung product after the Galaxy S.  Struggling on with 3rd party apps that mitigate some of the above issues is not the hallmark of a quality product, or a professional development environment.  Shame on Google, shame on Samsung.
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2010, 01:08:09 AM »

go to iphone if you like things simple then
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2010, 01:18:52 AM »

I would need a lobotomy before sinking to use an iPhone
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2010, 01:28:28 AM »

I would need a lobotomy before sinking to use an iPhone
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Google need to fix:
On-screen keyboard is unusable <= big fingers you?
Mandating Capacitive touchscreen so any on-screen keyboard is too inaccurate to be any use <=hmm, why do I and many others not find any problems?
Must be online for OS not to crash <== weird, I used to use apndroid to totally cut data connection to save battery, by your logic, my OS should be repeatedly crashing yet nothing happened!
Patchy integration of Google services <= Only used gmail and google docs so can't comment.
No spell checking <== There is
Appalling CPU scheduling and memory management <==  Yes, for samsung it's quite terrible, not sure about other brands
Appalling integration of the IP stack and DNS lookup into Java services <== Greek to me, you should look for the fellow XDA developers at the XDA forum
Unable to remove or hide system apps and bloatware <= hmm, the normal user wouldnt be able to but XDA forums has many neat tricks
Android Market randomly not downloading apps <== no issue here.
Constant media scanning blocking access to user memory <== Rescan media disables that on demand, with 2.2, once the 1st scan is done, subsequent scans are fast unless you add media

Samsung need to fix:
Email client crashes and hangs with abysmally slow performance <= Use samsung social hub and get a lag fix or modded kernel
Location embedding in photographs without an option of disabling <= never used no comments
100% battery notification cannot be disabled <== yes, this is irritating
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2010, 01:50:10 AM »

You can try Web OS, I'm hearing good things about the Palm Pre 2.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2010, 02:14:00 AM »

I'll put in my 2 cents only about those points I can speak of...

On-screen keyboard is unusable

Allow me, this is a matter of personal preferences and habit... Of course I can't compare it to a real keyboard, but after the first couple days swype turned out to be (for me at least) as fast as a resistive onscreen keyboard (both with stylus or fingers, according to the keys size).

Mandating Capacitive touchscreen so any on-screen keyboard is too inaccurate to be any use

Only at first for me... I just had to realize and get used to the fact that before, on the resistive touchscreen, I used the edge of my finger or my fingernail to press a key, on the capacitive one I just needed to "aim" with the center of my finger instead of the edge... took me, say, 10 minutes to get used to it.

Must be online for OS not to crash

100% don't agree.... plenty of ways to keep it offline, it's even a system option without using any third party app... And I've got no crashes at all other then the ones clearly caused by myself while experimenting something too "geeky", but those are not to be counted of course.

Patchy integration of Google services
Can't comment on this as the only one I need is gmail which is working flawlessly

No spell checking
Now, I admit I'm not 100% sure, but I think I saw that somewhere

Appalling CPU scheduling and memory management
Kinda agree on the memory part (samsung related though, not google)

Appalling integration of the IP stack and DNS lookup into Java services
Can't comment as it's not really my field of expertise

Unable to remove or hide system apps and bloatware
I don't really agree on this... for example, on windows mobile the only way to get rid of that stuff was flashing a whole new firmware.... on android you can do it with a simple root access, I myself got rid of some useless crap put there by samsung italy, and I'm still with the official italian rom, just rooted.

Android Market randomly not downloading apps
Had that happen a few times, agreed. Usually retrying a couple times solved it, but it's kinda annoying nonetheless.

Constant media scanning blocking access to user memory
I find that annoying only at boot, when it takes a while to complete the scanning. Once booted I don't really notice it much.

Email client crashes and hangs with abysmally slow performance
Can't comment: I only use the gmail client and it's working more than fine, but I guess you're referring to the other mail client.

Location embedding in photographs without an option of disabling
Didn't look for a setting in the camera app, but if you turn GPS off I don't see how it could embed an unknown location  Sticking out tongue

100% battery notification cannot be disabled
Not really a problem for me, but I agree it could be annoying for someone

Swype is evil because:
Only offer updates via Samsung, not incrementally and independently
Cannot add/remove languages
... or you can opt for the "geeky", manual solution, find the version you need and put it on manually  Sticking out tongue

Cannot disable auto learning feature

Never thought of that, can't comment.

I simply won't purchase a Google or Samsung product after the Galaxy S.  Struggling on with 3rd party apps that mitigate some of the above issues is not the hallmark of a quality product, or a professional development environment.  Shame on Google, shame on Samsung.
Well, out of all the smartphone I've had so far (all of them with WinMo before this one) I've yet to find one which did not need struggling with tweaks, unofficial optimizations, 3rd party apps just to make it work better.... my thought is: there's no perfect device, only better user-end optimizations (and I kinda like it, that's a fun part for me)  Sticking out tongue
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 12:23:57 AM »

Some of your rant I can sympathize with but some of it I don't get at all. I'll agree that Android is rough round the edges but this is only version 2. What I like is that I could root my phone and get rid of all that bloat ware or install a vanilla version of android. I happen to like the Samsung interface.

The screen thing definitely took some getting used to. Like Vos I was used to using a fingernail edge and now I have to use my actual finger tip. The glove thing could be a problem this winter too. Having said that, I really like swype (had it on my O2)

Being in Canada my phone has some interesting quirks. GPS is on but not *on* until I turn on maps or an app actually using the GPS. My pictures are not tagged with location because I can turn off the picture GPS feature in the camera tools.

As you said it's the best game in town at the moment. It would seem the windows phone must be always connected as well to to the glance and go they're pushing.
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2010, 10:57:09 AM »

The amazing Super AMOLED screen forgives the entire device in my opinion as a user.  However I am also looking at it from a different perspective, having helped to design several mobile OSes and handsets.  If I was building an Android device right now, these would be on the top of the buglist.  If only I could source a Super AMOLED screen...

Google's dev's really don't understand the European telecoms model that originated in the whole "mobile data is expensive" time, when mobile data was an opt-in, service by service, app by app.  Android (and WP7) was born in the "unlimited data" bundle time and the OS reflects this.  A very common complaint about Android is how much more data it uses.  I don't see the devices working so well when operators start cutting off the unlimited plans and reducing limits.

PS: Look out for the JPE/JPD build, you cannot disable GPS in the Camera app, only at the system level.
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2010, 12:12:43 PM »

Hm? Are you a samsung firmware writer?

Anyway, I have a 12gb data plan which if exceeded is chargeable up to SGD$30, meaning for unlimited, I pay $30 more on top of my bundled 12gb, I to my best attempts have only reached 3gb per month
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2010, 12:11:21 AM »

Wow I run around 300-400 MB and I have a 500 MB plan, with my WinMo phone I used 5MB tops. I've started making sure I'm on wireless at home (or anywhere there is free wireless)

You're right Bade, Google is a US Co so they look at the US business model. It's the same with iPhone and now with WinPhone. That could be a factor in WinMo 6.5 remaining popular in Asia and/or countries with less available data. Also back in the day when Apple (and Amiga etc) benefited from chipsets improving performance, programming was much tighter because there were fewer resources available. Object oriented programming may be quicker/easier but it's also pretty easy to be sloppy.
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2010, 02:18:14 AM »

Astute point regarding designing OS'es and programs to specifically suit certain markets only. Being from the Philippines where 3G and unlimited data is a recent phenomenon, I can only wish for manufacturers to at least acknowledge our shortcomings and at least give us the option to TOTALLY switch off data/sync related services and apps (while leaving phone on), without having to resort to completely uninstalling the apps altogether, as what I've had to do in order to get some semblance of performance and or respectable battery life.



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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2010, 02:34:10 AM »

Astute point regarding designing OS'es and programs to specifically suit certain markets only. Being from the Philippines where 3G and unlimited data is a recent phenomenon, I can only wish for manufacturers to at least acknowledge our shortcomings and at least give us the option to TOTALLY switch off data/sync related services and apps (while leaving phone on), without having to resort to completely uninstalling the apps altogether, as what I've had to do in order to get some semblance of performance and or respectable battery life.

Couldn't you just turn data connection off for that purpose, instead of uninstalling apps which usually sync using data?

menu -> settings -> wireless and network -> mobile network -> uncheck "use data" (or whatever it is called lol, my menus are in italian  Sticking out tongue should be the first entry at the top)

Other way could be long pressing the on/off button and disabling data from the popup window (same procedure the re-enable it when needed)

Yet another way, this time not "built-in" in the settings, could be installing one of those apps which provides a widget to disable/enable data connection.
There are some working by "corrupting" and "restoring" APN settings so that data connection will become unavailable, then there are others (which I would prefer) using undocumented commands to disable and reenable it without messing with the apn.
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2010, 07:43:17 AM »

press the on button to switch off data connection on froyo.

or in settings, switch to GSM only to get 2G only.

Or enter a code to switch permanently to 3G until you switch it back.

or for a simple one click widget, there's apndroid or smthing
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2010, 10:19:10 PM »

Vos, Loba you have a point - I found that APNdroid works for me while APN off/on didn't BUT I didn't have to have anything like that on my winmo phone. It just didn't connect unless I asked it to on an app by app basis. I didn't have to turn off ALL data or fight with which APN switch works.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2010, 02:03:56 AM »

Vos, Loba you have a point - I found that APNdroid works for me while APN off/on didn't BUT I didn't have to have anything like that on my winmo phone. It just didn't connect unless I asked it to on an app by app basis. I didn't have to turn off ALL data or fight with which APN switch works.

You're right, but that's just how the OS is designed, not much that you can do about it other then using those settings/apps to make it run like you want.
I've seen a lot of people over here in Italy buying an android phone without having the slightest idea of how it works, and reselling it after one week 'cause their credit was being slaughtered by data connection (and of course they didn't know data connection can be disabled).
Let's just say it clear: no matter the settings which make data connection disabling possible, android has been designed with flat data plans in mind, not with "pay per traffic" internet. Happy
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